ok crappyhappy and fatman, I packaged up the molds last nite and will try and get my son to take them to the post office monday, I couldn,t do it today as I am working. CH this will give ya something to look at if ya try to make one. did some final pin adjustments last nite. with the short pins the way I make them they gotta be adjusted to stick out just the right amount to get a no play or no movement fit when the mold is closed up but also easily separated after the pour. finally satisfied with them now. took a couple of those sample redman heads I poured out of them and tied a couple with the steve farrar flash blend tied sparsely, in a gray color with light blue thread, they look real fishy, I think in clear water like a couple lakes I fish they would work good. will probably make a 1/16 no collar oval headed mold next for my pinky style jigs, just have to settle on a blank, I do have a couple I made that look good. just tryin to decide if one of them is good enough or do I need to change the shape a little.