UncleGrump - I know, i gave it up for the year. Have all my ice gear ready to get left out in the sun for a day to dry then store it till next season. We had a day of rain that really did a number on it. I fished mid-day on Saturday and cut through over 14" of ice. It was just starting to honeycomb, but not bad. Shore ice was sinking some, so had to wade through a couple inches of water to get out..... but even the shore ice was still pretty solid on Saturday. I tried 3 different reservoirs on Sunday and could not get out on any of them. It literally went bad over night as you often hear people talk about.