quivira kid
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Has anyone actally fished these satin jigs much yet?
With all this satin talk....
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jiggerjohn
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Well, of course, the originator of the wool/satin tie, Red, has taken perhaps a quarter of a million fish on his satin/woolies over the past 4 decades. He's out most days, all day, and considers 40-50 fish a "bad day" ! My old college roommate,Bob, lives across Pymatuning reservoir from Red and long ago learned these satin ties from the ole man -ever since Bob never fishes any other jig, and catches big bunches of perch, crappies, walleyes, channel cats, and bass also! I'm "new" to the tie,with just 2 seasons in, but find fish everywhere love satin!
quivira kid
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Jiggerjohn, I understand. I'm just playing devil's advocate here, but..... is it the jig materials or confidence in tying and presentation on his part? I can go almost anywhere and catch a lot of fish on an all-black 1/32-oz jig using rabbit for the tail. Or a thread neck duck jig. MY two cents is that it is a little more the Indian than the arrow MOST times.
I am all for new materials and methods..... solely playing devils advocate and asking something that has been on my mind for awhile now. I haven't jumped on the bandwagon yet... what I find amusing is that I picked up some "Senyo's Laser Dub" to veil some jigs with and do something similar to the wool/satin ties. You guys might want to look into it. I have played with it a bit and really like it for what I have used it for so far!
I am all for new materials and methods..... solely playing devils advocate and asking something that has been on my mind for awhile now. I haven't jumped on the bandwagon yet... what I find amusing is that I picked up some "Senyo's Laser Dub" to veil some jigs with and do something similar to the wool/satin ties. You guys might want to look into it. I have played with it a bit and really like it for what I have used it for so far!
Fatman
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I haven't got the wool yet, but the satin I've added to artic fox, and polar bear (really transparent when tied thin) shows good. Think back about how many materials went out of favor over the new and improved, but those who had confidence in them kept using them. Other materials pulse in and out just like wool.
Only thing I have to buy in all this is the wool, so yeah I'm gonna give it a shot and if it works add it to my arsenal, no different than you buying and trying the Laser Dub.
Only thing I have to buy in all this is the wool, so yeah I'm gonna give it a shot and if it works add it to my arsenal, no different than you buying and trying the Laser Dub.
QK - I have similar thoughts as well that the satin is more of an attractive add-on to the jig the same as flashabou rather than essential to the design effectiveness. That's just my gut feeling anyway and i am not a fish so will never know. I .....borrowed..... some satin fabric that i found in the basement at work so it was just available to me.
However, i find the wool (a totally new to me material) part of this more interesting and could be used in my fishing/tying a great deal. Just had a conversation about this with another member in the last couple days. I really think the wool material will excel in bluegill sized jigs and plan on making up several to test out. The wool really reminds me of kip for how it is fuzzy and keeps somewhat of its shape once wet...... but it has two advantages over kip i believe. 1-) It seems to have a little more movement in the water and 2-) it is a thinner material and seems like it holds to the hook shank MUCH MUCH easier than kip without slipping around the shank. I dread tying kip but love fishing kip jigs. If i can get used to shaping and trimming the wool, i do believe they will make crazy effective tiny bluegill jigs.
However, i find the wool (a totally new to me material) part of this more interesting and could be used in my fishing/tying a great deal. Just had a conversation about this with another member in the last couple days. I really think the wool material will excel in bluegill sized jigs and plan on making up several to test out. The wool really reminds me of kip for how it is fuzzy and keeps somewhat of its shape once wet...... but it has two advantages over kip i believe. 1-) It seems to have a little more movement in the water and 2-) it is a thinner material and seems like it holds to the hook shank MUCH MUCH easier than kip without slipping around the shank. I dread tying kip but love fishing kip jigs. If i can get used to shaping and trimming the wool, i do believe they will make crazy effective tiny bluegill jigs.
Fatman
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Thanks Attica - that's one thing I never thought about with it.
jiggerjohn
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Attica, You are absolutely correct - Red,himself, proclaims that WOOL is single killer feature of his jigs,mostly for its water retention and ability to spread out the fibers. He says any material can go outside & around the wool and be effective ! It's just that the ultra thin,wiggly satin strands form themselves around the wool core so well, and swim&pulse with a mimimum of motion. And,as you say, in a tiny jig this combo,with the fuzzy wool body (especially dark wool) IS one killer bluegill jig/fly!
Quiv, I,too, have been trying to play the advocate, by usually putting my tried & proven rabbit tail Boolie against similar wool/satin ties. I'm still smarting from the time my 31 yr old son clipped me 7-0 on rainbow trout from the same shoreline spot one short fall afternoon on his woolie tie against my ole faithful rabbit& flash boolie!! Or on days in a separate boat at Pymatuning, have been proud to have 15 decent crappies/perch ,only to later meet up with Red, who has his cooler STUFFED with jumbos!!
More testing ongoing this coming season, but you can bet a lot of my Boolies will have tails of wool+satin!!
Quiv, I,too, have been trying to play the advocate, by usually putting my tried & proven rabbit tail Boolie against similar wool/satin ties. I'm still smarting from the time my 31 yr old son clipped me 7-0 on rainbow trout from the same shoreline spot one short fall afternoon on his woolie tie against my ole faithful rabbit& flash boolie!! Or on days in a separate boat at Pymatuning, have been proud to have 15 decent crappies/perch ,only to later meet up with Red, who has his cooler STUFFED with jumbos!!
More testing ongoing this coming season, but you can bet a lot of my Boolies will have tails of wool+satin!!
papaperch
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The thing that has me most excited about Reds satin & wool jigs is the emulation of the emerald shiner minnow. Give me a bucket of live emerald shiner minnows and I will outfish anybody fishing something else. doesn't make me special as they would work for anyone. They never have lockjaw on the emeralds. IF you find the fish you catch the fish with them.Even in water where they are not native like my local lakes. The fish jump on them like they are starving to death. Trouble is they are almost impossible to keep alive and are not in favor of bait dealers and sellers. Around the shores of Lake Erie if a bait shop does not stock them it will not be a very busy place.
I was so confident in them ( the jigs ) I was going to use them thru the ice this winter. But mother nature has given us another ZERO on hard water fishing in Ohio. Going to Murray Lake in South Carolina on vacation and will be taking about 50 of my woolies I tied so far. Now I know the emerald shiner's range does not even come close to South Carolina. Going to also take some of Reds original jigs ( just in case I am not doing something right ) I would be willing to bet the farm that if mine don't work Reds will.
Pymatuning where Red fishes can be a tough lake. It gets hammered every year by waves of fishermen and boats. To pull fish out of there by the cooler full is not an easy task. I have had great days on Pymatuning myself but not with the consistency Red has been enjoying. Add into the fact that northeast Ohio can be a sumgun to fish due to our weather patterns. As the saying goes around here" Don't like the weather wait 5 minutes it will change for ya ." As most of you know the more stable the weather the easier it is to get a pattern going on any species of fish. Trouble is its hard to get anything resembling stable around here.
Add all these factors together and you might begin to understand my jumping on Red's bandwagon immediately.
I was so confident in them ( the jigs ) I was going to use them thru the ice this winter. But mother nature has given us another ZERO on hard water fishing in Ohio. Going to Murray Lake in South Carolina on vacation and will be taking about 50 of my woolies I tied so far. Now I know the emerald shiner's range does not even come close to South Carolina. Going to also take some of Reds original jigs ( just in case I am not doing something right ) I would be willing to bet the farm that if mine don't work Reds will.
Pymatuning where Red fishes can be a tough lake. It gets hammered every year by waves of fishermen and boats. To pull fish out of there by the cooler full is not an easy task. I have had great days on Pymatuning myself but not with the consistency Red has been enjoying. Add into the fact that northeast Ohio can be a sumgun to fish due to our weather patterns. As the saying goes around here" Don't like the weather wait 5 minutes it will change for ya ." As most of you know the more stable the weather the easier it is to get a pattern going on any species of fish. Trouble is its hard to get anything resembling stable around here.
Add all these factors together and you might begin to understand my jumping on Red's bandwagon immediately.
StumpHunter
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Papaperch here in South Carolina the shad is the key bait-fish and they are the key to finding fish most of the year beside the spawn. The wool gives the tyer the ability to shape the jig to look just like a shad. I have not spent no time fishing the wool jigs but I have fished jigs with just the satin tied on as the tail material. I have been using jigs with the satin on every trip this year because I wanted to know if the satin would pull the fish to the jig. I have been fishing muddy to hard stained water most of the year because of the amount of rain we have had but I am still catching fish but not with the satin jigs. It may be that the satin has to much movement for this time of the year as the hair jigs have been the best jig or the minnows by their self. I have fished these jigs in three different lakes with ''0'' fish caught on the satin jigs while being fished along side with the other jigs. I do a lot of longline troll and spider rigging but also shoot docks with spinner setups. I have not had the chance to try any with the fly rod but will soon. I have some wool jigs tied like Red ties and also plan the tie some with just the wool as I believe they will become part of my tackle. All of this was to test the satin by itself to see how it would work.
I think Red has a awesome jig design.
I think Red has a awesome jig design.
Fatman
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Thanks for the report Stump
papaperch
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Stumphunter - Yep shad are a big forage base up here also. I learned " pull fishing " from a neighbor of my cousin down near " Great Dismal Swamp" in N.Carolina.. The big slabs we caught down there inspired me to try pull fishing up here in Ohio. Trouble is Ohio only permits two rods per angler. So while I did catch some up here doing that vertical jigging is more productive. Only because of the rod limitation. One of the best BIG crappie methods up here for post-spawn fish is to single pole troll crankbaits.
This is a quality not quantity pattern.
Now back to the emerald shiner, there is no such thing as a magical lure, regardless of what they do on those info mercial's LOL.
But if there was any candidate for " magical " it would be the emerald shiner. One for instance. I am in middle of stump field ice fishing . This particular stump field is rather big and set smack dab on the end of a drop off that goes from 15-40 ' within a length of 20'. Active fish normally are right in amongst the stumps. The neutral or negative fish usually suspend out in the 40' area but about 12-17' down. Anyway I was surrounded by 15-20 fellow ice fishermen. Some fishing the deep water some fishing the stumps. Other than a couple of walleye I was the only one who had fish on the ice. The difference was I was the only one with emerald shiners. The others that were using live bait were using fathead minnow. I believe the southern fishermen refer to them as tuffy minnows. Everyone was marking fish but I was the only one catching them. This is not an isolated case. As far as I know around here the only place you can find them is Lake Erie. Yet they work every place I have tried them. Believe me I have been on the other end. When some fishermen come down from Erie to fish the local impoundments. Now its my turn to watch other fishermen make me look like a complete beginner. Now you still have to have the knowledge to know where the fish are likely to be and know how to present them. But like I said if you find the fish they will hit them. Must be like us trying not to eat a 2nd cashew.
If we do get a chance to fish together at Murray I hope to have something established by the time you are able to go. You won't believe how zeeked up I am getting about hittin Murray. Especially since we did not have a regular ice season up here.
This is a quality not quantity pattern.
Now back to the emerald shiner, there is no such thing as a magical lure, regardless of what they do on those info mercial's LOL.
But if there was any candidate for " magical " it would be the emerald shiner. One for instance. I am in middle of stump field ice fishing . This particular stump field is rather big and set smack dab on the end of a drop off that goes from 15-40 ' within a length of 20'. Active fish normally are right in amongst the stumps. The neutral or negative fish usually suspend out in the 40' area but about 12-17' down. Anyway I was surrounded by 15-20 fellow ice fishermen. Some fishing the deep water some fishing the stumps. Other than a couple of walleye I was the only one who had fish on the ice. The difference was I was the only one with emerald shiners. The others that were using live bait were using fathead minnow. I believe the southern fishermen refer to them as tuffy minnows. Everyone was marking fish but I was the only one catching them. This is not an isolated case. As far as I know around here the only place you can find them is Lake Erie. Yet they work every place I have tried them. Believe me I have been on the other end. When some fishermen come down from Erie to fish the local impoundments. Now its my turn to watch other fishermen make me look like a complete beginner. Now you still have to have the knowledge to know where the fish are likely to be and know how to present them. But like I said if you find the fish they will hit them. Must be like us trying not to eat a 2nd cashew.
If we do get a chance to fish together at Murray I hope to have something established by the time you are able to go. You won't believe how zeeked up I am getting about hittin Murray. Especially since we did not have a regular ice season up here.
StumpHunter
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Papaperch, the crappie are starting to stage closer to the spawning grounds here in South Carolina. We will have spawning fish through April and some may still be spawning into May. I'm looking forward to spending the day fishing with you on Murray and I will be giving you all the info I can of what the fish are doing before you get here. 