Translucents?

[Lost Pole]

I know some of you gurus have experience with them. Just trying to get some ideas of how to go about getting the most out of em.
White, chrome, gold base coat?
Addition of glitter?
Any comments would be of great help.

Thx,
Adam

 

[AtticaFish]

Translucents.....? What you talkin' 'bout with those big longish words?? You talking about the candy colors or the mix your own candy colors that are a little color with alot of clear? Or are you talking about the premixed colors like the Rootbeer Flake, Junebug Flake, Watermellon pepper and so on?

I have not bought any 'Candy' colors since Rad told me i could make my own. The colors i have mixed to make my own candy colors work pretty well and i think a base color is key. The candy color lets whatever color is underneath show through. Base coat in light coat of pearl or silver (does not even have to have complete coverage on the base) and then top coat with a candy chart. gives the chart. a glittery metallic look. Not a huge difference but it does make the color pop.

As a general rule, i have not been mixing in glitters or flake with my mixed colors. I screwed up a few colors because i added in a glitter and ended up not liking it and put a cloud over my parade. I add on glitter or flake mixed in with plain clear if i want it.

The ProTec color Copperhead is one i love! Put a base coat of pearl on first and then fade in the copperhead up the top of the jig so it leaves the belly pearl and turns darker as you go up.....

Flame Red mixed with alot of clear and a little red glitter makes a killer red for coloring gills.

 

[Lost Pole]

I guess they're candy, professor. Just labeled as translucent. Not much info here.
Been playing with em in combination with finally getting some clear. Trying not to waste many heads. Seems the pearl is best by itself if you just want the actual color of your glitter in the clear to show best. Otherwise more of the shine in the glitter comes through on the darker colors and not the color.

 

[AtticaFish]

What is the brand of powder? The ProTech brand has some listed as transparent. http://www.csipaint.com/products/powder-coatings/pro-tec-powder-paint.asp

Not trying to be an a$$ about a specific word..... just trying to figure out what you are using. :beer:

 

[Lost Pole]

I know, I'm just on my phone and can't ever get them smilie things to work. If you were in the same room I'd just throw a beer cap at you. Or a jig head. I'm pretty good with a beer cap though…
And you don't want to play quarters.

I dunno. Got em from a guy closing down an auto mechanic shop.

Should be fun.…Russel

Adam

 

[AtticaFish]

If you don't know the brand to look up the spec sheet for the powder...... you could be in for a trial and error session to get the coating and cure temp/time right. Either way it sounds like you made a nice score just & may take some experimenting to get it to your liking. Post how it turn out. Biggest thing i hate is that transparent/translucent/candy/metalic just does not turn out right in ANY photograph. :-/

To whiz another beer cap (or tab this evening) past your ear...... Russell is spelled with 2 LL's.

 

[Fatman]

Attica gotta agree with ya on picts not showing in photo's - even the colors on the CS web site dont' really show them all that well.

Adam - PM a guy on here with the name Cadman - he has ALL kinds of different powders he uses and being it's probably an automotive powder he might be able to tell you more. If you can't get him here try over at Tackle Underground - This time of year he's really busy with his jig business so he might not get back to your right away

 

[Lost Pole]

Thx FM, but think I've got it figured out. Got up 2 hrs bf work this morn to fiddle ( never again).

Didn't have time to base coat or cure. Just dipped and then cleared a few with glitter. Not sure about the glitter curing well on the white pearl but we'll see.

 

[Fatman]

Colors look okay uncured but would like to see them finished and to hear how long and what temp worked for you with the powder.

For you guys using the auto powder are the times different??? I found an auction on Craigs site and he's got LOT's of powder - problem is 5 lb. minimum at $15 a lb. and nothing really fancy.

 

[AtticaFish]

Adam - You ever have luck curing the trans. colors? The Gold and Copper look excellent when painted on blades or over shiny jigheads but can't seem to get the cure to work right. I have tried times and temps all over the place and the paint ends up flaking off easily after the cure just by dropping it or a knife blade.... like it is brittle.

I have noticed that it looks best with a thin and even layer, have to get the temp of the head just right before you dip. Using an base color of any kind dramaticaly changes the color - looks its best over a shiny spinner blade IMO.

Thanks again for the samples.

 

[Lost Pole]

Haven't messed with it much. But the ones I did took a loooong time curing at low temps. Was worried about the glitter so started at 325 for 25 mins. They weren't even warm when I went to pull em out. So rather than cranking up the temp I just let em ride and checked for em to "flow"every 5 mins so they wldnt cone. Finally got movement after 20 mins more. Didn't make sense. Guy told me "400 degrees Til they flow".
Haven't pounded on or fished, but did give some out and had asks for more soooo maybe? I usually give most away Gotta few done at the house I'll give some drop tests onand report back. Bc lord only knows when I'll get to fish.

Here's one I took a pic of. It's a craw color with the gold n some glitter over it.

And Ty even more for test strips. Dunno how I ever got along w/o em.

 

[Radtexan]

Looks like you done got it figured out Adam :t-up:....Let the experiments begin !!!

 

[AtticaFish]

That color does look good! The glitter really shines through.

By reading your response, you had your heads in the oven at 325° for 45 minutes which is ALOT longer than i was trying to cook them. Owner of the shop said to go to 400° - wow. Just got finished baking a few more heads with the gold and copper and finaly had success, the finish does not chip!!!!! woo hoo. I used longer time and higher temp: 350° for 50 mins. It came out solid!

I am probably too anal about getting the powder to cure right but most of my heads are almost always in contact with rip-rap, bedrock or concrete.

Here is the Gold:

 

[Lost Pole]

Those look reaaaaally really good. Took notes, ty.
And yes, you're too Hoover dam anal. But makes for good product and half way decent web site owner/administrator..
Lets see some more.

 

[Fatman]

Ok Attica - so are you saying the LONGER you cure the harder the finish is???

 

[Jig Man]

Thats a nice jig LP... I have done very well with orange and copper this year!! I have also found the longer and warmer I cure the better the paint stays on the jig head.

 

[AtticaFish]

Fatman - For THIS paint it appears so and from what others have been telling me..... the longer cure does not hurt most any finish. Don't quote me on that one tho. Will try it on a lower heat for that time and hopefully help with the sag as well IF it cures correctly. The handfull that i have done - and cussed after they chipped - will take a trip back through the oven in the end.

I really like the finish result of these translucent colors but it seems to have a smaller window of flub-ability. Flub-ability. hehe. Got to get a good even coat the first dip as double dipping darkens the color and you quickly loose the translucent effect. Tapping the color on makes an even color almost impossible. This paint seems to 'flow' or sag ALOT as well, you can see it around the lead barb where it pooled while it was standing up-right in the oven as well as some spots appear to be bare along the corner edges of the wedge shaped HU heads. I have not tried Led's precise ramping of the temps and that could very well solve the sag issue.

Once i get this mastered - look out! I have a seperated color combo of smoke, chart. glitter and then copper over top it all that looks un-real!

................flub-ability.

 

[Lost Pole]

I have a seperated color combo of smoke, chart. glitter and then copper over top it all that looks un-real!

................flub-ability.

"smoke" isnt even a color.
AND def doesnt exist without a picture.

I think it's all thicker since it's meant for auto...
May be wrong

Flub all you want but I'm going with MORE HEAT. Gon tap hanging holes in some test strips and start tomorrow. I have a 3 hour window of oppurtunity if I don't sleep it away.

 

[AtticaFish]

"smoke" isnt even a color.
AND def doesnt exist without a picture.

CS Coatings - Pro-Tec Powder Paint

Look at #63 in their color chart. It is a darkish silver with a pearl shine to it. Heck, possibly even just pearl and black mixed. And i do stand corrected now that i look....... they DO have a transparent gold and copper listed from Pro-Tec. :blush:

 

[Lost Pole]

Showoff.
thx

Think I can make the smoke, but gotta see your concoction first.
Got too many that are similiar. Almost getting over....uhh...over....over doing, done. Or something.
Been trying to track down auto guy for Quint, unsuccesfully, but when I do I'll get better info
AND more clear, already out.
Want to ask to learn the paint side of his business anyways.


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