These'll work?

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Friend asked me to pick up some lead when I went to recycle some lead. Seem really soft. Can fill a long fingernail with one scratch.

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Got 5 of em that weighed in a bit over 12 lbs.
$9 was the damage.
Price ok?
Lead ok?

Thx,
Adam
 

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Yeh Heath. Must not make em like that anymore? My pops has some in his shop that definitely aren't lead.
Almost got some bell cast but came up short.
 

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That old pipe lead is as good as you are likely to get . I'll take a load of it at that price any time .
 

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Still see a lot of silvery stuff in your trash bin. I'd throw it back in super hot and flux the heck out of it and see if you can maybe get a bit more. Got a pic of what you ended up with???
 

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Heat it back up,try to get it as close to 600* as possible,add maybe 2" of a candle stick and keep stirring.Skim the crud off the top a bunch of times and gently put it on a piece of no good plywood as you skim.You should be able to get a lot more lead at the bottom that is really clean.Just throw the plywood away some where where it is supposed to go.
 

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Stump - that's what I thought too. I've had old water pipe that was a bit corroded and got lots of usuable lead from it, that's why I was surprised he didn't get much from it.
 

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Didn't get ANYTHING from it. I did something wrong. 12 lbs of clean, soft lead down the drain.
Will explain for hopeful answers when I get a sec
 

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Lost Pole said:
NOPE.
SCREWED IT UP SOMEHOW.

Started well
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Then. Ended bad.

this is 99% of what I bought

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All I can say is that it must not be lead if you did'nt get anthing out of it at all.Did it ever get to a molten state?Meaning "liquified" ? That will be our starting point.
 

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It was lead.
Here's how it went down.
See the first pic? Under that lil bit if floating debris was a beautiful mirror of molten lead. Skimmed the top crap off and it looked waaaay purty.

So I says to myself "should I flux it?".
So myself says "why not, how could it hurt?"

I chunked a piece of candle in there… it was a red tea light, it flamed up and sent a lil crap to the top. I stirred and skimmed that and all looked well.

So I says to myself "should I flux it again?".
So myself says "why not, how could it hurt?"
Soooo I chunked a piece of candle in it, this time it was a clear candle but it was a cut from one of my sis's scented domahickies.
It flamed up, I stirred it and went to skimming.
Every time I skimmed, my once mirror like surface was purple and red and yellowish and would just clump again in a minute. Never could get my shiny look again. Just kept skimming clumps TIL IT WAS GONE.

SO IM GUESSING, either that scented candle was the culprit OR I burnt the lead?

I never used a temp measuring device.

Any advice or help would be appreciated.

Sun burnt Adam
 

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I've had the purpleish/yellowish color and it's never been a problem for my lead. Even with alot of crud in the lead you should have gotten at least half in usuable lead.

It still looks like alot silver color in that aluminum pan. I'd put it back in and try one more time, the only way you didn't get anything is if it wasn't lead.
 

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LP, your base material looks exactly like the roof vent and flashing lead I've been fortunate to get occasionally - some of the softest lead I've used. Usually, there is some tin solder adhered to the sheeting which IMO improves the lead and gives the melt a shiny surface, as opposed to the darker skin of purish lead.

Simply stated and you probably figgered - one can flux too much. Judging by the appearance of your scrap and the amount of floating residue on the initial melt, a single fluxing after first skim would have been sufficient.

After having processed at least 1,000#s of roofing lead, never had your experience.
Firstly, I would guess that your melt heat was too high. The hotter the temp, the more oxide/carbonate slag will form. Secondly, wax flux doesn't burn off completely, and part of the floating residue appears to contain unburnt carbon + possibly wax impurities. I would guess that you considered the continual formation of slag during repeated fluxing evidence of impurities in the lead that required further fluxing, when in fact the melt was being gradually depleted due to chemical compounding of the metallic lead into slag + the affinity of this slag waste to physically adhere more metallic lead when skimmed.

I agree that you might be able to extract metallic lead from the slag, tho probably way less than your starting melt. By saving & repeated heating/fluxing/straining slag in a small open tilt pour pot(long handle really helps) it's possible to extract most of the useable adhered lead leaving only powdery non-metallic dross as terminal waste. If anyone wants step by step of this process I can post it. Main thing to note about the reclamation process is that after pouring out the liquid metal the remaining dross should be cooled till any remaining liquid lead has solidified. Otherwise, the steel mesh strainer used to separate terminal powder will get messed up.
 

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Thx very much Hawn. Very much.
You too Doug. Y'all make it nice to try new things.

My first experience w/ lead has gotten me…irritated to say the least.
I only flux'd twice, guess shldve been once.
Would the fragrances in the scented candle have anything to do with it? Only reason in asking is b/c thats the point everything went south.
But at that point it would've prob been too hot too.
Also how would I go about keeping a more accurate temperature reading next time?
Last point of possible concern (?), the pot was a fairly thin cheap pot…the video I watched on YouTube was no better and they seemed to have done ok.

This was just an experiment to see how far I wanna go, while helping a friend at the same time.
Good thing I didn't make her pay for it b/fhand!

Appreciate all the help mucho.
 

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this looks like exactly what happened to me a while back, I kept skimming till there was nothing left, and it plugged up the bottom pour continually. I never heard of fluxing too much with candle wax, but maybe I did too. and definitly the high heat causes immediate dross when it reaches a very high temp. I can heat up a tiny bit of lead in a ladle for a test pour in a new mold with a propane torch, and it will look shiny, then after a little more holding over the flame, all of a sudden the top turns black and yellow and needs to be skimmed. thanks hawn for the info.
 
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