Lead Ammo Bans?

Kdog

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Hmmm, trying to make my pre-64 winchester obsolete! And everyone thinks their is a shortage of 22 ammo.
 

plateboater

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Copper closed today at $3.26 per pound.....52 week high of 3.74. Work at Caterpillar and we follow Commodities every day. Higher price more mine trucks sold......at 3.26 more mining trucks are rebuilt! They talked about copper as alternative! Will be a expensive investment!
Background in weapons training and particle M-16 long range shooting. Would be revamping the entire weapons system for US military and when you step out of USA....they will not have copper rounds laying around where "operators" conduct business. The military training programs are already reducing rounds for practice.
Time will tell.......interesting read.
 

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Not a particularly well researched story, and it cites American Thinker as if it were a credible source (which it is not.) Seriously, if you search for "lead ammo ban" on Google, you'll find ONE state has banned lead bullets by 2019, and only in hunting ammo. I don't think it's that big of a deal, since lead shot has been banned for over two decades. The only sources that indicate it goes any further than that are right-wing sites prone to hysterical fearmongering.

I also don't like how the article misrepresents Doe Run as "the last bullet-producing lead smelter" and the victim of EPA over-regulation. None of the major ammo manufacturers bought lead from the Doe Run smelter that closed. It only produced soft lead from ore deposits, which is of little interest to ammo manufacturers. Ammo makers prefer harder lead, and soft lead is more expensive anyway. Doe Run is the type of company environmental regulations were created to protect against. The kind you really don't want to have free reign because they'll happily dump toxic waste into the air and drinking water to save a buck if they could get away with it. They run a smelter and company town in Peru where the conditions are absolutely awful and 99% of the children suffer from lead poisoning. The company said it was "too expensive" to upgrade the plant to reduce the toxic emissions, yet it sent over $100 million back to their holding company so billionaire president Ira Rennert could build himself a $100+ million mansion in the Hamptons instead of improving the plant so it would stop poisoning the residents and their children. They really are scumbags.
 

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Well, I thought Fox News would be the most credible source for our conservative members.

Since you mentioned, Shoe, cross checked and indeed, only CA, not "2 dozen states" have banned lead for hunting ammo. Also, its common knowledge that our penny coin is (2-1/2%)copper clad zinc, hardly a reason to "produce pennies from steel" as cited by Mr. Yardley of AmericanThinker.

And, your expose of Doe Run and Mr. Rennert is disturbing.
 

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There's lots of information out there on Doe Run's activities. It bugs me because the company is pretty much a poster child for why we need environmental laws in the first place, but because they happen to produce lead that may at some point end up in ammunition, ill-informed people jump to their defense. Doe Run bought the smelter in Peru from the Peruvian government back in 1997 because the government did not have the money to make improvements to the plant. It was sold under the agreement that Doe Run would make improvements to reduce the toxic emissions and improve the lives of the residents. The Peruvian government also sold smelters to other companies under the same agreement, and all of those companies met their requirements while Doe Run has pretty much done nothing but give excuses on why they can't do it. They even had the nerve to try to get the Peruvian government to pay for the cleanup.

Here's a good place to start:

http://www.globalpost.com/dispatch/...on-environment-doe-run-renco-la-oroya-smelter

Just a year after buying the La Oroya smelter, Rennert began construction on his mansion (currently valued at $200 million.) Doe Run's history with the EPA started back in 1989, so while Doe Run was making excuses on why it was too expensive to make the improvements and stop poisoning children both at home and abroad, the owner of the company was building this house:

http://www.thepinnaclelist.com/blog...-mansion-one-of-the-largest-homes-in-america/

Just think, if Mr. Rennert had settled for a smaller house, the US plant might have been able to meet the environmental regulations and stay open. Seriously, if there were an award for the real-life person who most resembled a Captain Planet villain, he'd probably get first place.
 
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