Keystone Pipeline

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Oh no, another post by that Hawaiian guy disturbing our fishing forum. Actually, I would rather spend my time making, using, and thinking about jigs but can't ignore certain issues that would affect not only me, but all of us who have a vested interest in clean water. I felt it was kinda appropriate to post what I just found out about the SNAFU hazards of a far shorter pipeline in the upper midwest between Alberta and Chicago built and operated by Canadian company Enbridge. I'm sure all of you know Keystone will transport crude tar sands oil from Alberta, Canada thru our Heartland to refineries in Texas. I have edited the report to only include notable USA affected excerpts.

"Using data from Enbridge's own reports, the Polaris Institute calculated that 804 spills occurred on Enbridge pipelines between 1999 and 2010. These spills released approximately 168,645 barrels (26,812.4 m³) of hydrocarbons into the environment.[8]

On July 4, 2002 an Enbridge pipeline ruptured in a marsh near the town of Cohasset, Minnesota in Itasca County, spilling 6,000 barrels (950 m³) of crude oil. In an attempt to keep the oil from contaminating the Mississippi River, the Minnesota Department of Natural Resources set a controlled burn that lasted for 1 day and created a smoke plume about 1-mile (1.6 km) high and 5 miles (8.0 km) long.[9]

On January 1, 2007 an Enbridge pipeline that runs from Superior, Wisconsin to near Whitewater, Wisconsin cracked open and spilled ~50,000 US gallons (190 m³) of crude oil onto farmland and into a drainage ditch.[12] The same pipeline was struck by construction crews on February 2, 2007, in Rusk County, Wisconsin, spilling ~126,000 US gallons (480 m³) of crude. Some of the oil filled a hole more than 20 feet (6.1 m) deep and was reported to have contaminated the local water table.[13]

In 2009, Enbridge Energy Partners, a US affiliate of Enbridge Inc., agreed to pay $1.1 million to settle a lawsuit brought against the company by the state of Wisconsin for 545 environmental violations.[14] In a news release from Wisconsin's Department of Justice, Attorney General J.B. Van Hollen said "...the incidents of violation were numerous and widespread, and resulted in impacts to the streams and wetlands throughout the various watersheds."[15] The violations were incurred while building portions of the company's Southern Access pipeline, a ~$2.1 billion project to transport crude from the oil sands region in Alberta to Chicago.

July 2010, a leaking pipeline spilled an estimated 843,444 US gallons (3,192.78 m³) of crude oil into Talmadge Creek leading to the Kalamazoo River in southwest Michigan on Monday, July 26.[18][19] A United States Environmental Protection Agency update of the Kalamazoo River spill concluded the pipeline rupture "caused the largest inland oil spill in Midwest history" and reported the cost of the cleanup at $36.7 million (US) as of November 14, 2011.[18] An employee of a subcontractor hired by Enbridge has claimed that the cleanup was incomplete.[20]

On September 9, 2010, a rupture on Enbridge's Line 6A pipeline near Romeoville, Illinois released an estimate 6,100 barrels (970 m³) of oil into the surrounding area.[18][21]"


Since this info is not common public knowledge, to me anyway, just making it available for anyone interested. Thanks for your time.


 

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We could just shut down all drilling,piping,shipping,and production of any kind,and walk everywhere...
 

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So let the Canadiens build it across their country and when it breaks and contaminates land and water it's on their countries land not the US!!!!
 

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Fatman said:
So let the Canadiens build it across their country and when it breaks and contaminates land and water it's on their countries land not the US!!!!

I wonder if they feel the same way about our pipeline running through their Country from Alaska? Wonder how many spills/leaks we have had.

Another issue is what to do with the sludge after they process it? If they can have US monitors inspecting the pipes, and keep up with it, I don't really have an issue with it, but would prefer we tap into our own oil first. We do have plenty of it from what I have read.
Then again, it aint in my back yard, and you know how that goes.
 

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Unfortunately the Keystone Pipeline issue has become subject to political wrangling with one party attempting to bypass normal environmental impact studies by dangling the usual carrots of "jobs" and "lower gas prices". Yes, it ain't in my back yard but I think the only chance for the working class to stand up to the greedsters who continue to enrich themselves at OUR expense is for US to stand together and help our neighbors. Judging by Canadian pipeline builder Enbridge's track record we can expect hundreds if not thousands of breaks and spill. You guys know that the proposed pipeline route goes smack thru the middle of a critical USA aquifer, right?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Environmental_risks_of_the_Keystone_XL_pipeline
 

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Just a year ago, I was content to live a sheltered quiet life concerned mostly with family and my small bizness. What the outside world did was their business, majority rules. But at some point I signed an online petition and bit by bit started researching national issues. Well, right now I am outraged by how the meager earnings of my hard work is being exploited by the filthy rich. One of the parasites' tools is disinformation, so I'm trying to share fact based info I'm uncovering.

The trans-USA Keystone XL pipeline is actually plan B. Apparently plan A whcih was an Embridge pipeline to Canada's west coast hasn't materialized since its proposal in 2000. The USA Keystone was proposed in 2008 by another Candaian pipeline company Trans Canada which probably figgered WE could be more easily suckered into approval by dangling carrots and bribes in the right places. The transported oil destination of the Canadian pipeline appears to be Asia, with no mention of USA market. Here is a short descriptive excerpt:

"The Enbridge Northern Gateway Pipelines Project is a proposal to construct twin pipeline running from Bruderheim, Alberta, to Kitimat, British Columbia. The eastbound pipeline would import natural gas condensate and the westbound pipeline would export crude oil to the new marine terminal in Kitimat where it will be transported to Asian markets by oil tankers. The project is developed by Enbridge Inc., a Canadian crude oil and liquids pipeline company."


 

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Regarding the "jobs" & "lower gas prices" carrots, found this. Like I said, disinformation.

"In response to negative publicity, president and CEO of TransCanada Russ Girling touted the positive impact of the project by "putting 20,000 US workers to work and spending $7 billion stimulating the US economy."[90] These numbers come from a 2010 report written by The Perryman Group, a financial analysis firm based in Texas that was hired by TransCanada to evaluate Keystone XL.[91][92] The numbers in the Perryman Group report have been disputed by an independent study conducted by the Cornell ILR Global Labor Institute which found that while the Keystone XL would result in 2,500 to 4,650 temporary construction jobs, this impact will be reduced by higher oil prices in the Midwest which will likely reduce national employment.[4] The US State Department estimates that the pipeline will create 5,000 to 6,000 U.S. jobs."
 

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Hawnjigs said:
Unfortunately the Keystone Pipeline issue has become subject to political wrangling with one party attempting to bypass normal environmental impact studies by dangling the usual carrots of "jobs" and "lower gas prices". Yes, it ain't in my back yard but I think the only chance for the working class to stand up to the greedsters who continue to enrich themselves at OUR expense is for US to stand together and help our neighbors. Judging by Canadian pipeline builder Enbridge's track record we can expect hundreds if not thousands of breaks and spill. You guys know that the proposed pipeline route goes smack thru the middle of a critical USA aquifer, right?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Environmental_risks_of_the_Keystone_XL_pipeline

I thought there was a new plan that went around it? Myself, I'm against it. Things just are not as good for the middle class as they make it seem when they try to blow something past us to make the rich richer.

 

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Hawnjigs said:
Regarding the "jobs" & "lower gas prices" carrots, found this. Like I said, disinformation.

They're not even permanent jobs. The jobs will only last until the pipeline is built, which will take around a year. And gas prices in the Midwest will go up, not down. TransCanada pitched the idea to Canadian oil companies telling them out would RAISE oil prices. Right now gas prices are anywhere from $0.10 to $0.20 lower than the rest of the country because there's a shipping bottleneck in Ohio and companies would rather sell it at a lower price locally than pay storage fees. That savings will go away if the pipeline goes through.

So yeah, the big business corporate welfare types are lying through their teeth trying to push this thing through. It's terrible for the environment, it's terrible for the American consumer, and its not going to help the economy in any lasting way.
 

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blt, found out you are correct that TransCanada has proposed, suspiciously quickly, an Ogallala Aquifer bypass route. Suspicious, because there seems to have been scant time to have consulted with affected parties like property owners and environmental assessors. And the obstructionist legislators who's slogan is " get government off our backs" are mum about forcing condemnation of private property, and in fact repeatedly attempt to ramrod Keystone approval past proper federal review process.

The risk to the Ogallala Aquifer was catastrophic, but inland spills anywhere have nowhere to go but into the ground and waterways with possible horrendous consequences. Here is a noteworthy opinion from actually a member of the 1% :
http://www.cnn.com/2012/02/22/opinion/turner-keystone-pipeline/index.html
 

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I was with the understanding they had that plan already drawn up just in case there was a stink raised with the cheaper shortcut through the Aquifer.

We are going through the same thing with the shale/natural gas stuff in Pa. right now. If they do find gas on your property, you do get a nice royalty out of it. It's what they do to the water table that is in question.
 

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blt, sorry if I am misinformed as I'm just starting to Google up info bit by bit, and making assumptions along the way. The docu "Gasland" I mentioned in another post goes onsite in PA frack zones.

Seems like a lot of issues are now surfacing since the Crash of '08 wake up. "Follow the money" usually leads to corporate or financial profiteers and their political cronies. Problem is that their disinformation is effective enuf to sway many of US to support their agendas by playing our triggers of fear and need which none are immune to including myself. More than in the past tho, I'm concerned enuf to research the truth, or not, of claims like "created 100,000 jobs" or "lower gas prices" instead of swallowing them whole.
 
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