jig spinner wire forms

[Bucho]

Hi!

I am planning to add spinner bait arms to my product range, helping to enhance the versatility of my baits. Just received a shipment from barlow´s.
http://www.barlowstackle.com/Jig-Spinner-Wire-Forms--P900C124.aspx
Its good quality, but the hook/eye of the snap locks are crimped so narrow that heavy wire hookeyes are impossible to pass over, especially if there is a little excess paint on them. At the same time, they are quite large. I`d rather have something in the 1/3rd oz perch range and have the larger ones self- or custom made for extra strength.

It´s summer time and german customs allow themselves another 3-5 weeks extra time to process the shipments I order, so before I place another 100$ minimum order to test out these other ones with the blades already attached, I would like to hear if one of you has made experience with them. My main concern is the hook wire strength they accept.
http://www.barlowstackle.com/Jig-Spinners-Hammered-Brass--P1205C124.aspx

 

[Kdog]

My first thought was you are really looking for is a spinner bait
http://www.barlowstackle.com/Do-It-Style-C-Spinner-Jigs-P275C57.aspx
where jig head is cast on the wire form. These have much heavier hooks.
The as I call them Beetle spin forms which you refer to are made for light wire hooks. Typically the wire used is ~0.028 - 0.030. If the eye is larger, the lure tends to rotate because the jig no longer acts as a keel. Plus from my attempts at making my own, a larger loop for the hook eye is weaker. I tried some on a few heavy jigs that I have trying to understand your issues. They worked fine but it is a tight fit and I can see where excess coating could be an issue.

The 630 hook on my heavy jigs has a wire size of 0.055 and an OD eye diameter of .210 whereas my standard jig hook wire size is ~0.020 and OD of hook eye ~ 0.090. MY spinner jig forms (from Jans) have an ID eye of ~0.075 - 0.085 but I bet they are very close to the ones from Barlows.

I looked for wire forms with a 0,055 wire diameter without any luck. Spinner bait forms are the closest match. Gonna be interesting but some of the guys making Bass Jigs and spinner baits may have some very useful insight. Gonna watch this thread because there should be some good info coming from it.

 

[Fatman]

I make my own and I have to separate wire size in the small zip bags so when I'm fishing I know which jig fits on what wire form. I have from .024 through .031 wire and I buy it by the 1 lb. coil.

The one thing you can try is take a pair of needle nose pliers and open up the clip piece. I like mine more rounded

If you're using them for smaller fish you could try the coil spring closure ones, but if you go with this type you still have to measure wire sizes against jig eyes to make sure they'll go through and depending on wire size you'd need different size coil springs.

 

[Bucho]

The one thing you can try is take a pair of needle nose pliers and open up the clip piece. I like mine more rounded

That´s what I am speaking of! left is a store bought one, right is one that I made myself. Nice round clip piece (was looking for that word) that goes easyly in any hook eye bigger than the wire diameter. The left one on the contrary will not pass through heavy wire hooks eyes with small inner diameter such as my favorite Mustads.



When k-Kog wrote about less stability, I put one to the test and pulled untill the snap collapsed and the 8/0 Jig hook in my hand permanently disformed. Good enough for me.



Getting back to my question in the first place - do they all look like the one above? because I won´t buy any that aren`t round.

 

[Fatman]

Yeah most of them are that way, the one you got from Barlows is using .028 wire.

The photo ain't great but this is .029 wire and you can see it good enough to see that I didn't get it all that well rounded and I still got a 2/0 Mustad 32756 jig hook on it, I got down to a size 1 hook with no problems.

You mention a 8/0 hook in your test - with the size wire Barlows used and the angle you show on their frame in your pic you shouldn't be having problems getting the hook on. But it wouldn't be the first time there's been a misprint in their catalog.

Take some needle nose and bend the clip out a bit at a time till your hook goes on the frame, then do your stress test on it. If it works the same then bend the rest out the same way.

This is why I make my own - I control how long the tag end is so that I have plenty to form the hook the way I want. I looked at the forms on Janns and based on the pic they look tight and Lure Parts on line you can't really tell the pic is bad.

All in all your wire diameter is going to determine what size heads you can use on it. You get down in the size 2 and below you're looking at .024 and .026 (the .026 the only one's that didn't have it were Janns and LPO)

If I can help more let me know

 

[Kdog]

When k-Kog wrote about less stability, I put one to the test and pulled untill the snap collapsed and the 8/0 Jig hook in my hand permanently disformed. Good enough for me.



When I mentioned stability, I was talking about lure action throgh the water during retrieve. I have had some where jig would bind and the whole spinner would run sideways ~90 degrees rotated to normal plane

 

[Fatman]

I run them in the water and adjust the top wire but even on store bought spinnerbaits you have to do that.