Interesting day at CDC

LedHed

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What an interesting day at CDC on Friday (this is my version)….

First off I need to apologize to AF for getting him banned at CDC – sorry. Didn’t realize something so innocent would escalate to that.

Apparently someone got awfully butt hurt when their top secret trademarkable formula was compared to Krabby Patty recipe (my glow in the dark post – that was hijacked) and couldn’t understand a reference to his “thight lip” post was done in humor. So his response was to get stupid – real stupid.

He was so butt hurt that he had the nerve to come back with a post (so conveniently deleted) that actually accused AF of stealing CDC members through PMs!!! He actually believes Jigcraft.com is created as a conspiracy against him and CDC. I truly regret not keeping that post – all of you could have read and seen what this DA is really all about.

We don’t know why AF is banned – CDC didn’t say – Slab or the DA. If it is because he was informing tyers (using CDC PM) of a new site with the same interest – we are all guilty of that. That is what was driving the DA insane. How many times have you emailed or PM’d someone about a site that you found? Isn’t that sharing information? I PM’d friends on different sites about CDC when I registered. Well if that is the case; CK3 (RIP), Doc Crappie, and I need to be added to the banned list also because we are just as guilty.

To question the integrity AF and Jigcraft is insulting – especially coming from some who dwells in his own ignorance – but considering the source… And this coming from someone that was accused of posting up another person’s idea as his own – stealing – and BTW most of those posts are “conveniently deleted”. That was the first time he was going to quit – second time he was going to quit was pretty funny as well.

We started Jigcraft to give a tyer (rookie and pro) a site to learn/share about all types of jigs. Not just crappie jigs. We are not in competition with anyone – we are totally non-profit – and hope to keep it that way for a while. Why would we have to steal members? We are like having another reference book in your library – for free.

I am so tired of reading his self promoting, egotistical, English butchering posts. CDC can keep the self professed grand Poo-bah and all his BS. Banning AF is the icing on the cake……

Speaking for myself (co-founder) – I hope the tyers that do float back and forth to CDC feel comfortable with doing what you want to do. No grudges – no nothing – we appreciate the patronage. Anybody and everybody are still more than welcome at Jigcraft.com.

All I ask is - remember to give credit where credit is due.

Thnx for the continued support
LH
 

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Thanks LedHed for the post. I saw the thread you were refering to and I hate it came to this. I'll continue to support both sites because of the good friends I have made on both sites. Thank you and AF for this site and the good info and folks on here.
 

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Skip started on me after you left. I''ll continue to try and learn as much as I can from both sites. Thank you for the work you've done here.
 

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Skip gets carried away sometimes and shouldn't be a moderator on cc. I havn't been on there for a few days,been busy. Sorry AF got kicked off CDC,it's their loss. I guess I have some catching up to do. I've told friends about both sites and see nothing wrong there.
 

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Folks I'm on several sites, and I've found that periodically it seems to happen on all of them. Almost like a menstral cycle of some kind. instead of pms for women its isp for men. (just a joke) Don't want to start something myself. Any way there is always one or more that can't seem to live with piece and harmony. I for one do not intend to get my panties(if I wore them) in a bunch over anything. I am loyal to friends not sites . Wherever you hang your hat is ok with me. We are brothers in a cause that teaches , supports and provides hope and help for rich or poor . Why because we can and should.
 

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Just as a note they are having fits about some things at bears baits. Like I said it must be a cycle .
 

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Wow!! I knew from the first couple sentences in Led's post who this was about. Skip has no business being a moderator, I'll agree. Self promoter for sure. I've not posted on CDC for some time due to his arrogance and BS. I'm sorry anyone has to be banned, but AF certainly will be more appreciated here anyway!
 

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I have tried to figure out from what was said why AF was banned and I come up with only one reason ... Skips Ignorance ... just looking from the side lines and if I was the moderator and had to ban some one it would have been him ... Some times you have to point a finger and I am not very proficent at it .. so if I come off bad, just overlook ...

AF & LH keep up the good work ....

My 2 cents worth (even with inflation)

JSC
(I have noted some BS happening on most Forums at one time or another)
 

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This may be a long winded response... sorry.

LH - Thanks for posting this and no need for the apology. My response to your glow in the dark jig post did seem to get it all started, but going back and reading that thread still makes me wonder why. As for the thread that was deleted: The mods response was to place a directed thread in the tying board with a title something like.... "Hey Attica, why not be positive and and make helpful posts instead of using this as your personal recruiting borad." ...long title, but that was just about it from my memory. He went on to accuse me of 'stealing' members by PM messaging and taking shots at him and CDC wherever i could. That was news to me. My response was to truthfuly explain what myself and LH did in getting JigCraft started and why - with no degrading remarks aimed at him, i would have saved that for in-private messages if i had been given the chance. ;) I also said that i felt it all could have been handled through PMs with the same result. He responded once again by putting me down for my 'low life' tactics of recruitment and say how little respect he had for me. He also stated that he posted on the open board to pretty much make an example of me and let everyone know how i was creating a site by stealing members from another good site. When i later came back on to reply, the thread was gone. :rolleyes: I was not only banned - it seems they tore apart my profile including avatar and the words AtticaFish are now considered a 'bad' word on CDC and replaced by asterisks in all old posts! My my... Sadly, there were many PMs with contact information and conservations with members that i no longer have access to, perhaps my biggest loss.

Hunter7711 - Your response was the last one i saw before the whole thread was deleted. You simply said you were on both sites and floated back and forth to gather all the info you could. I can't believe anything would be said to you about that post, amazed! I am sorry to say, you may have been placed on the mods black list. Don't be surprised if any future threads you start there are attempted to be taken control of, i have personally seen this happen over and over. LedHed's glow jig thread is a perfect example! No compliment or mention of the jigs LH posted by the mod, just a posting of something he sells.

ToadFrog - Well said. I am a member of at least 10 different forum boards and hop around to my favorite ones, 3 of the forums focus on fishing in Ohio! I have seen quite a few heated disputes online, it always makes me chuckle that people can get so twisted up in fits at someone who is usually halfway across the country. I've always tried to keep a cool temper - it is good to have loyalty to a site, but it is impossible to say one site or another has all the information you will ever need. I have to look at everything!!!

To all JigCraft members - I enjoyed my time on CDC and made many friends, there are a lot of good members on the site. I simply had my disputes with the mod's double standards. Wonder how many times he has stated or PM'd that someone should look at the FlyAnglersOnline forum to find specific information??? I encourage all the members who are on any site to continue to post wherever you would like. You are welcome here no matter what other site you are on!

Thanks for your support everyone. Take care - Russ - :jig:

Final note: For those of you that feel as though i stole you and placed you under a hypnotic trance... allowing you to only look and post at JigCraft and no other sites ...I now snap my fingers and release you from my control. You are welcome to go back and check your favorite sites, wherever they may be. flyanglersonline, crappie.com, walleye.com, bluegilltalk, tackleunderground - Just check back here when you can, never know what you might find. Hopefully, all can see my attempt at humor. :D
 

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Good Lord !!!..:beat-up:.And..I thought this kind of stuff only happened on rodbuilding forums !!!..

Ya...Old CK3 stole me from CDC and made me join JC !!!.:D..All I want to do is build rods and tie jigs and live in peace !!..:)



MaryLou~~
 

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At least you know how beyond courteous and apologetic that AF was. What he did not deserve the tirades - and to be banned. Again - we appreciate the support and you are more than welcome.

hunter7711
He must have deleted the post (does that a lot) – heard a little bit about your response - thnx. Can only imagine what the response was that you got….. Did you get one of his nasty PMs?? The work here is only going to get better - promise.

JJ1
Carried away is one thing – you should have read that post. You and I both know that AF is up front of the pack and too generous with his time. And look how he persisted on the gallery section of CDCs tye forum. Remember who was against it?? And it has the most hits now-must be the green eyed monster. I agree with you – there is nothing wrong with sharing information – spreading the word.

CCJ
Also agree that there is a conflict of interest when you have a sponsor/moderator. He has unfair advantage over other sponsoring members. Directing newbie’s to his site for the hits and pimping his wares – scandalous. The majority of his posts drift back to his site and stuff he sells – especially the posts he hijacks.

Technical and talent wise – Jigcraft will be miles ahead of the game.

AF
That post was as ignorant as the writer. First he told you he was taking a shot at you through the post instead of a PM – so everybody would know what a low life you were. Whining because people were taking shots at him then he does the same – hypocrite. And then he told you he knew slab would delete the post. What was the purpose of the post – another rant? He lives in his own little troll world.

“I enjoyed my time on CDC and made many friends, there are a lot of good members on the site. I simply had my disputes with the mod's double standards. Wonder how many times he has stated or PM'd that someone should look at the FlyAnglersOnline forum to find specific information??? I encourage all the members who are on any site to continue to post wherever you would like. You are welcome here no matter what other site you are on!”

DITTO

Thnx again
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What I said to him was that he wasn't old enough to that bitter. He told me I was a idiot, and I had to remind him that he hadn't been tyeing near as long as I had, and that upset him even more. No problem, this is a lot better inviorment.
 

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Hunter7711 - Now that just put a big smile on my face! :)

You didn't get banned though, did you? Sure hope not. I can't search by member name anymore since the changes that were made to the format of the site over there or i would check for myself.

hunter7711 said:
What I said to him was that he wasn't old enough to that bitter. He told me I was a idiot, and I had to remind him that he hadn't been tyeing near as long as I had, and that upset him even more. No problem, this is a lot better inviorment.
 

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oh my my.....

saw some of the posts on CDC - wondered what was doing.....

Hang in there guys!

UG
 

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Sure sorry to see it come to the banning,but I as well as you know there is alot of double standards on there,I dont post much anywhere but read and see it all the time there.
 

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I too have had my run in with Skip. Skip is the reason that I stopped posting on CDC. He has no business being a mod on that site
 

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Attention all JC members!!! Sorry to bring this up again, but you have to read this...

I finaly got around to sending out an email to get the reason why i was booted out, directly from the horse's mouth. As i assumed, the reason i was kicked off of crappie.com was for "directing members" to a website (JigCraft) that is seen as having similar content as CDC even though I have witnessed moderators and other members doing so in open discussions for other websites. It seems they pick and choose who has permission to do so and can possibly ban you without notice at their discretion if you do share other websites on the public boards OR IN PRIVATE MESSAGES. This has me wondering why such action would be taken, since it discourages the open sharing of information.

I have gotten direct confirmation through an email that the owner (Slab) of crappie.com (and possibly other moderators with the privileges) actually reads your private messages to make sure you do not share information about other forum websites and invite CDC members to join. Yes, they do read your PM's! This is something that I see as a very disturbing break in trust and privacy. My suggestion is to go through your PM's on crappie.com and make sure it is clean of references to ANY other forums or you can possibly be banned from participating in their forum, without notice.

It is troubling for me to hear this invasion of what is thought as a private conservation could possibly be monitored by someone. That is something that will never happen on JigCraft. Crappie.com is an excellent source of information for crappie fishing and I do not want anyone else to loose their membership to the site by sharing information with other members. Again, JigCraft is a completely open information source, the sharing of any other websites or forums are welcome here.

Thank you for your continued support on JigCraft.
Russ – AtticaFish
 

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Dang Russ I thought the PM meant private message ha ha.Im like you Ive seen it a bunch of times on there some times they are deleated and sometimes they arent.I still think it was and is a bad deal even though I frequent CDC along with lots of others.
 
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