Geo-Engineering?

[Hawnjigs]

Didn't even know what that meant until an hour ago. I've always dismissed "chemtrails" Craigslist posts as the product of conspiracy loonies so never bothered to investigate. Then I saw this:

http://www.geoengineeringwatch.org/live-updated-presentation-the-most-important-topic-of-our-time/

 

[Bucho]

So? Im not convinced.
There`s a simple reason why we are experiencing climate change:
By burning fossil energy at the rate we do, we are blasting more carbon dioxide into the air in one year than what can be stowed away by natural processes in a millon years. And thats not even exagerated.
In the short run, this process is caotic, example: A little warming melts permafrost soil, which releases methan, which again leads to more warming....
In the long run, once that the polar ice has melted, the large oceanic currents are shut down and the bottom of the tropical sea has warmed up enough, it will act as an oxygen depleted grave for organic matter which builds up new oil and gas, binding carbondioxide and eventually cool the planet off again - in a few hundred million years or so. Has been before, will be again.

its as simple as that, and while the U.S. government has little to do with it, it is most certainly not in control of it.

 

[AtticaFish]

I am not convinced either but also would not put it past our dumb sh!t bio engineers to think they could change the global climate. Not gonna happen. As much as i want to say it is impossible to change it........ i have a feeling they could possibly do some major damage even if they just tried to modify the climate slightly with all the technology we have today. Any way they try to change or fix anything though, the Earth and Sun will be the only determining factor if we last another hundred years or another millennium. Same as Bucho said, it will fix it self come hell or high water. Mother Nature is a hard a$$ b!tch to mess with.

Case in point: Just had a major storm rip through my area this week. Every single corn field in my 20 mile work commute from East to West was laying nearly FLAT TO THE GROUND after we had a major wind and rain storm. Lots of damage to farm buildings and some houses/vehicles with a multitude of trees not only down but many totally uprooted! BUT...........in the last 2 days of milder temps and sunshine, the cornfield are probably 75% back upright and looking as good as they were before the storm.

 

[JSC]

No Sudden conclusion on this ... sit back and watch ... Just mentioned to the wife this AM that we have had some strange weather .... at my age have seen a lot but not just like what we are haven now ...

 

[Jig Man]

Interesting... Why don't we give um a few hundred million tax dollars to study it some more.

 

[Hawnjigs]

Atmospheric nano-aluminum... Sh**s probably in food & drink too. Maybe even in distilled beverages? Oh my aching memory...

Published weather seems weird everywhere, and consistent with the GeoWatch allegations. Unprecedented continuing drought & wildfires in areas and excessive storms & rain in others. With the horrendous collateral damage, I don't understand why the program if it exists continues?

And the media blackout takes secrecy and coverup to a new level.

 

[Bucho]

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Published weather seems weird everywhere, and consistent with the GeoWatch allegations. Unprecedented continuing drought & wildfires in areas and excessive storms & rain in others. With the horrendous collateral damage, I don't understand why the program if it exists continues?

There´s no program. There`s only our way of life. Unless we come up with something completely new in energy issues, this will go on in an uncalculateable pace.

BTW living in northern Germay, climate change is just nice: Giant catfish, grey mullet , atlantic sea bass. hell what a lot of new species that we didn`t have when I was a kid! ( 25-30 years ago)

 

[papaperch]

For what its worth here is my opinion on the global warming/climate change. This is the biggest fraud put upon the public and has made Al Gore a ton of money.Take a look at how Al Gore lives and see what kind of carbon footprint he is leaving.

The statistics did not bear out what the alarmists were preaching so they had them doctored. To me this is a way to bring the only true super power to its knees. The other economic powers in the word will not cut their pollutants down and cripple their economies. But we are told if we lead the way by going green the rest of the world will follow. Remember this one thing those who beat their spears into plows. Will be farming for those that don't. If we disarm ourselves economically it will be just as a big as a disaster.

Circular firing squads don't work very well for obvious reasons. Our economy based on going " green " is about as stupid. People conducting polls ask the public inane questions like " Are you in favor of cleaner air ? " Who is going to answer why no I prefer dirty air. Ask the question this way " Are you in favor of your electricity bill doubling in response to an unproven theory. " Back in the eighties the alarmists were saying our children in most of the US would soon be ignorant of what snow is. When it was pointed out to the predictor he mumbled something about his figures being off. The only thing this guy was off was his rocker.

Alternative energy may be a great thing in the future. When I see a huge passenger plane or C-5 cargo plane clear the runway with something other than JP-4 fuel then I will believe that future is here. By the way I don't dislike Al Gore because he is rich because of this lie. I don't like him because he tells us how we ought to live more minimally all the while he is living as large as possible.

 

[Hawnjigs]

Well, the GeoWatch focus isn't global warming but dumping of chemicals into our atmosphere aka the air we breathe, and collateral effect on our climate. Personally, like 99+% of Americans including Mr. Gore, I am not voluntarily giving up my car, electricity, bathing in hot water, nor am I sailing to a mainland port and hopping a horse & buggy to CO for my vacations so like JSC says its wait and see. However, I am immediately concerned about my three staffs of life - air, water, and food being tampered with. So if private enterprises like Raytheon in collusion with govt. are SECRETLY poisoning us our first line of defense is collective awareness.

This has been an interesting year for me - getting schooled on the sentinels of greed, power, and corruption and their control of our law makers and enforcers. Getting beyond the stage of rah rah boo boo partisan bickering and figurehead spanking, then into sorting thru the various conspiracy theory rants. One thing leads to another, and unfortunately it seems another nail in the coffin.

Isn't nano-particulate aluminum being dumped into our atmosphere scary? Did anyone notice the chart in the video pointing out the coincidental increase in Alzheimer's? Even Consumer Reports specifically advises caution with nano zinc & titanium sunscreens.

 

[Bucho]

For an increase in Alzheimer`s, you need two things:

1. an aging society with a rising life expectancy (one of the biggest social problems we have in Europe and Japan)
2. a decent food scandal with mad cow desease infected sheep cadavers being grinded into cattle food on a broad scale, just like the one we had over here a few years ago.

No particels involved. They sure are messing with this stuff, and I certainly don´t want to stand near by when they do it, but contrails are contrails and chemtrails are chemtrails. Its what you get if you run any engine with an exhaust high in the atmosphere

http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:340bs-97bg-b-17s.jpg

 

[JSC]

I have to agree with "papaperch" this old world has had cycles of weather change for centuries ... Why do they call Greenland "Green" when thru my lifetime it has largley iced over ... Al Gore & friends are in my opinon a Hoax .... Hanging loose on this "Geo Engineering" ... I found out long time ago that you do not discount some things that seem to be something some one would not do.
Strange things happen .... Standing by to see what is next...

 

[Hawnjigs]

I've never been one to jump on bandwagons or personality cults. Heck, I still don't know how to text and have never played one of these electronic games. Better things to do than spectator sport. But I try to keep aware of my surroundings and integrate present with past. Some observations over 40 years or so.
1. The seasonal weather/windflow patterns here have noticeably changed.
2. Peak high tides have increased rather recently from 2.2' to 3'.
3. Sunburn potential has noticeably increased.
4. The foundation native forest trees ohia are dying.
5. More people I know of are dying of cancer than formerly heart attack/stroke.
6. Hawaii has been a Monsanto base for GMO testing for 40 years without my knowledge.
7. Regulatory agencies continue to fail us in protecting against fraud & online threats.
8. Big bizness controls "government" even to the point of duping us into war.

I'll stop now, have better things to do than continue whining.

 

[Jig Man]

Gotta agree with ya Hawn on some of it, they have been trying to seed rain clouds in our country for years and causing problems... I was talking this morning with an old rancher that I have known all of my 55 years. Its amazing how much the weather has changed here. His grandfather settled the ranch he was born on and in all his 90 years he had never seen the Colorado river on his ranch dry until two years ago. So yes, I believe as a humans we are changing our weather. I also believe we are polluting our Earth. There are some areas that you can't eat the fish from any more it isn't safe. Used to not be that way. And there are also a whole bunch more people in our area with cancer than there used to be too. I'm not on the band wagon with the Gore's or any of that bunch, but as the human race continues to grow and food supplies and fresh water continue to shrink.... Well we shall see what we shall see